Steve Bolam

Hi all.
I think the subject says it all really.
Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
prize money if won.??
Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
competitions..
Regards
Steve
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Durram

Steve Bolam wrote:
> Hi all.
> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
> prize money if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
> competitions..
> Regards
> Steve

It's up to your Committee to make up the rules on entry to competitions.

At Wike GC (Leeds), entry to regular club competitions for juniors is
free which is to allow them to take part in a competition for the main
purpose of managing their handicap, obviously they can't then win the
sweep. Any other golf club member could mark their card.

I think the age limit was 16+ for entry into the sweep but they may have
changed it

They also arrange juniors only competitions where they have their own
sweep and entry fee.

At Headingley GC (Leeds) juniors are also able to enter, paying a
nominal sum for entry and are allowed to enter the 2's club but cannot
win the sweep. They can however win the trophy and have their name on
the boards etc if they win.

Basically, each club can have different rules. There may be guidelines
to follow suggested by the great and the good at the EGU if you check on
their website.

Colin Wilson

Steve Bolam wrote:

> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
> prize money if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
> competitions..

I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club
*wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.

You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are
they thinking?

Marush

Colin Wilson wrote:
> Steve Bolam wrote:
>
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
>> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the
>> full prize money if won.??
>> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
>> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
>> competitions..
>
> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club
> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
>
> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth
> are they thinking?

They are thinking that juniors are a (barely) necessary evil who should not
be allowed to disturb the slumber of nice old gentlemen in blazers and
definitely should not be allowed to interfere with said gentlemens pleasure
by cluttering up the course when the gentlemen are playing. As for entering
the monthly medal, they should not even be allowed in the confines of the
club when such an important event is taking place.
--
KenH

Janet Homer

"Colin Wilson" <> wrote in message
news:jLMWj.1165$...
> Steve Bolam wrote:
>
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees normally
>> allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full prize money
>> if won.??
snip
> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club
> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
>
> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are
> they thinking?
>
> --
> Cheers
> Colin Wilson

Frightening, isn't it? It is sad that people are so insecure and jealous
that they can't bear to think of a junior beating them. Then the powers
that be in these clubs wonder why their membership is tailing off and as far
as women's golf is concerned, the average age of in the UK is 60! Add to
this the insistance of most ladies committees (where few ladies are under 50
at the best) insist on players wearing collars and sleeves and shirts tucked
into trousers, not to mention measuring the length of shorts to ensure that
they are of a 'decent' length. What girl/young woman today wants to look
like her grandmother out there!

Durram

Colin Wilson wrote:
> Steve Bolam wrote:
>
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
>> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
>> prize money if won.??
>> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
>> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
>> competitions..
>
> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club
> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
>
> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are
> they thinking?
>

I presume it's the same sort of clubs that still have other restrictive
practices for instance on women golfers.

The OP plays at a relatively new proprietor owned course where the
Committee may have conflicting ideas of what is the done thing. Such
clubs often attract wide-eyed new golfers who are fairly open about
these things and dress regs etc but they also attract disgruntled long
standing casual golfers who have had bad experiences on some of the more
notorious municipal courses. Not sure if that actually includes St
Andrews or not but that is one of the worst when it comes to allowing
any old chopper on ;-) Also, suspicion amongst themselves at this sort
of new club is rife because they don't, by their very nature, have long
standing members or family dynasties within the club to provide precedents.

On the junior side though I can sort of understand why there could be
some restrictions. Unless handicaps are carefully monitored, especially
during the summer months, many competitions can be grabbed by little
urchins who do nothing else but practice all day and are all but pros
when it comes to short game improvement during their school holidays. I
for one am not too happy at supplementing their pocket money every week!

Let's be honest here, golf clubs are mainly for middle class men and
women to come and do a bit of exercise, enjoy the spirit of competing
amongst themselves and have a bit of social interaction afterwards in a
comfortable and relatively safe environment. There is a place for
juniors what with all the future of golf and all that stuff but they
don't contribute any money and the 'present' and 'immediate future' of
golf lies with those with disposable income between 21 and 65 who are
supporting and paying for an increasingly aging population, and indeed
junior golfers, who should be allowed some space to do so without the
Politically Correct Police sticking their or in.

Janet Homer

> Colin Wilson wrote:
>> Steve Bolam wrote:
>>
>>> I think the subject says it all really.
>>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
>>> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
>>> prize money if won.??
>> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club
>> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
>>
>> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are
>> they thinking?
Frightening, isn't it? It is sad that people are so insecure and jealous
that they can't bear to think of a junior beating them. Then the powers
that be in these clubs wonder why their membership is tailing off and as far
as women's golf is concerned, the average age of in the UK is 60! Add to
this the insistance of most ladies committees (where few ladies are under 50
at the best) insist on players wearing collars and sleeves and shirts tucked
into trousers, not to mention measuring the length of shorts to ensure that
they are of a 'decent' length. What girl/young woman today wants to look
like her grandmother out there!

John Turner

"Steve Bolam" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi all.
> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees normally
> allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full prize money
> if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for example
> juniors must play with more experienced older members in competitions..
> Regards
> Steve

This is how we handle it at Lahinch for boys. I don't know what conditions
the ladies put in place for the girl juniors. These conditions are readily
accepted by both the juniors themselves and the membership as a whole.

COMPETITION ENTRY CONDITIONS FOR JUNIORS

COMPETITION ELIGIBILITY

Captain's Prize Any age.
Handicap 9 or less. Must play on Friday. Playing for Junior's prize only.
President's Prize


Lady Captain's Prize Any age. Handicap
9 or less. Playing for Junior's prize only.
to the Men
Lady President's Prize
to the Men

Bank Holiday Mondays Any age. Handicap 9 or
less. Eligible for all prizes.
Stephen's Day to New Year's Day
Club Championship
Club Handicap Championship

Arnott Cup Match Play Any age. Handicap 18
or less Eligible for all prizes
Bogberry Cup Match Play
Spring Match Play
All other Men's Cups

Hampers Only
eligible for Junior's Hamper competition. All ages. All handicaps.

Latymon Four-ball Match Play Any age. Handicap 18 or
less. Must have juniors as opponents.



Weekend Competitions including Medals Any age. Handicap 18 or less.





John T

Steve Bolam

In article <g0fod9$po2$>, Durram
<> writes
>Steve Bolam wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
>>normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
>>prize money if won.??
>> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
>>example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
>>competitions..
>> Regards
>> Steve
>
>It's up to your Committee to make up the rules on entry to competitions.
>
>At Wike GC (Leeds), entry to regular club competitions for juniors is
>free which is to allow them to take part in a competition for the main
>purpose of managing their handicap, obviously they can't then win the
>sweep. Any other golf club member could mark their card.
>
>I think the age limit was 16+ for entry into the sweep but they may
>have changed it
>
>They also arrange juniors only competitions where they have their own
>sweep and entry fee.
>
>At Headingley GC (Leeds) juniors are also able to enter, paying a
>nominal sum for entry and are allowed to enter the 2's club but cannot
>win the sweep. They can however win the trophy and have their name on
>the boards etc if they win.
>
>Basically, each club can have different rules. There may be guidelines
>to follow suggested by the great and the good at the EGU if you check
>on their website.
>
Many thanks her to all that replied..
I think Durram's reply here points to a suitable result all round.
Shall I say there have been a couple of "issues" at our club and I feel
rules akin to Wike (a stones throw away) may have prevented most of
these.
Cheers

Tony Hawkins

On May 14, 10:05 pm, Steve Bolam <Steve.Bo...@Bolam.Org.Beefplease>
wrote:
> Hi all.
> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
> prize money if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
> competitions..
> Regards
> Steve
> --